tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post8649166174953046912..comments2023-12-23T04:56:29.702-05:00Comments on Ferule & Fescue: Lean InFlaviahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-5002022487184441912013-03-28T17:04:40.356-04:002013-03-28T17:04:40.356-04:00Having read Kate Losse's review but not the bo...Having read Kate Losse's review but not the book, she seems confused and relatively inexperienced. She seems unable to decide whether she dislikes corporate America, tech companies, or capitalism. She keeps coming back to the fact that she felt 'underpaid' after having her salary doubled. Yes, certain positions pay better than other positions, but anybody who has worked in tech knows that you don't get more money by staying at the same old company. If you get huge raise from your current employer, it will almost certainly be the last huge raise you ever get from them -- it doesn't matter that she had a change in title, that's just the way it works. <br /><br />Of course, her counter-argument would be that the Sheryls of the world have no such problem getting huge raise after huge raise, which is a fair point, but not particularly related to gender. <br /><br />The lack of women in technology is a problem, but the fact that a non-technical position pays less well than an in-demand specialized position is not a gender issue.<br /><br />-scrscrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-71714132433247072372013-03-27T18:03:35.561-04:002013-03-27T18:03:35.561-04:00Anon 5.58:
I've seen that essay, and I'm ...Anon 5.58:<br /><br />I've seen that essay, and I'm simply not convinced by it, after having read the book.<br /><br />I'd be happy to say more about why--but since most of my readers seem not yet to have read the book, a detailed critique of the essay doesn't seem productive right here and now.Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-52861729228277230342013-03-27T17:58:30.921-04:002013-03-27T17:58:30.921-04:00I haven't read it, but I was convinced by this...I haven't read it, but I was convinced by this essay's criticism of Sandberg's argument: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/feminisms-tipping-point-who-wins-from-leaning-inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-48831534632661445512013-03-26T23:11:39.536-04:002013-03-26T23:11:39.536-04:00Flavia: thanks for this sane review.
I think you...Flavia: thanks for this sane review.<br /><br />I think you, Janice, undine, and your other readers will appreciate what Gloria Steinem said about Sandberg's book (from the 3/25/13 New Yorker): "I think it's positive, and she's had such a backlash. . . . Only in a woman would success be seen as a barrier to giving advice. Meanwhile, Trump, whose brain is deteriorating under the heat of his toupee, is <i>fine</i> giving advice."<br /><br />HA! Historiannhttp://historiann.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-35797852370388215392013-03-24T20:48:13.945-04:002013-03-24T20:48:13.945-04:00Undine: exactly!
Janice: I second Steph's req...Undine: exactly!<br /><br />Janice: I second Steph's request. If it's not too personal.<br /><br />Steph: actually, I'd like to hear more about that, too--what it made you realize about your ambitiousness/accomplishments, etc. (Likewise, if you're willing to share.)Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-52970079756858092622013-03-24T09:14:29.766-04:002013-03-24T09:14:29.766-04:00Here's another review by another academic blog...Here's another review by another academic blogger:<br />http://academic-jungle.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/book-review-lean-in-by-sheryl-sandberg.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-7703278682161159732013-03-23T22:25:18.994-04:002013-03-23T22:25:18.994-04:00I'm still halfway through, but I'm in agre...I'm still halfway through, but I'm in agreement with all the points you highlight here, Flavia. I also love how she fully claims the position of producing a feminist manifesto. I know I had mentioned to you that I was worried that reading it would make me feel bad for not being more ambitious, but it's actually having the opposite effect on me: I'm realizing the things I've done that <i>are</i> ambitious and <i>are</i> effective and where I can do more of that. <br /><br />Janice, can I ask why you feel guilty for your partner doing something that (I assume) he was willing to do?Stephhttp://mstephmurray.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-29956524025335968452013-03-23T21:08:20.447-04:002013-03-23T21:08:20.447-04:00I do want to read it. I'm interested in both w...I do want to read it. I'm interested in both what her perspective is and what the criticism is really reacting against.<br /><br />When my partner and I got together, he gave up a lot, career-wise, in order to enable mine and that's only increased over time. I leaned in which meant that he had to lean out which still wracks me with guilt.Janicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093558563358431804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-27694702275756241882013-03-23T14:25:06.761-04:002013-03-23T14:25:06.761-04:00I haven't read it--I read the cover story in T...I haven't read it--I read the cover story in Time magazine-- but appreciate your take on what she is actually saying. I'm puzzled by why some feminists have a hard time with her message, since it is really classic feminism (more women in positions of power, call out structural inequities) reinvented for this era, and that's a good thing. <br /><br />undinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589384016564587214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-2027952964672340292013-03-23T13:45:21.307-04:002013-03-23T13:45:21.307-04:00Actually, I do have one criticism: I totally hate ...Actually, I do have one criticism: I totally hate the book's cover. And I don't really like the title.<br /><br />On the other hand, the typeface is gorgeous, as are all the other design decisions. The book is so handsome it's almost distracting, or at least a bit incongruous for the subject matter.Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.com