tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post6112559500652322648..comments2023-12-23T04:56:29.702-05:00Comments on Ferule & Fescue: Pardoner syndromeFlaviahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-56685614170330987182014-05-24T01:00:03.938-04:002014-05-24T01:00:03.938-04:00Notorious:
I'm fortunate in not (to my knowle...Notorious:<br /><br />I'm fortunate in not (to my knowledge) having had colleagues who match this description, either. The ones I'm <i>sure</i> about have been the partners/ex-partners of a couple of friends--but I strongly suspect I know some people in the larger profession who qualify as well.Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-11194235632745470522014-05-23T22:35:40.627-04:002014-05-23T22:35:40.627-04:00Wow. Yes. This.Wow. Yes. This.servetusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-17860953625143496972014-05-20T16:25:33.936-04:002014-05-20T16:25:33.936-04:00I think I've seen two of these in action. Neit...I think I've seen two of these in action. Neither of them colleagues, mind you, but people whose bluster and dickishness seemed to me to be masking a truly deep insecurity. An "attack them before they attack me: type. Notorious Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08700875559325201086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-27979074382998058172014-05-20T14:25:09.233-04:002014-05-20T14:25:09.233-04:00CPP:
Sympathies to you, too!
MSI:
Hadn't re...CPP:<br /><br />Sympathies to you, too!<br /><br />MSI:<br /><br />Hadn't really tracked the story at the time, but looking it up now--yes, that sounds about right.Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-56463499442667010922014-05-20T12:19:41.689-04:002014-05-20T12:19:41.689-04:00Pardoner Syndrome seems to describe the Hugo Schwy...Pardoner Syndrome seems to describe the Hugo Schwyzer meltdown of last fall to a T. Miss Self-Importanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477849823290773026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-3141845941921610702014-05-20T10:31:55.870-04:002014-05-20T10:31:55.870-04:00But for me the crucial twist is the radical resist...<i>But for me the crucial twist is the radical resistance of self-knowledge--the refusal to face their own feelings of failure, incompetence, lack of ability, whatever, which might actually allow them to address those fears--that then manifests itself as arrogance or superiority.</i><br /><br />This is my parents in a nutshell when it comes to getting what they want socially with family and friends. I call it "can't get out of your own way disorder".PhysioProffenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-60158036671401739572014-05-20T09:57:10.827-04:002014-05-20T09:57:10.827-04:00Sophylou:
My sympathies!
Sis, Susan, Historiann:...Sophylou:<br /><br />My sympathies!<br /><br />Sis, Susan, Historiann:<br /><br />I think that's not <i>quite</i> the phenomenon I'm describing, though you're right that there are lots of ways of self-sabotaging, and all of them are sad (and we never truly know, from the outside, what they're "about"). But for me the crucial twist is the radical resistance of self-knowledge--the refusal to face their own feelings of failure, incompetence, lack of ability, whatever, which might actually allow them to address those fears--that then manifests itself as arrogance or superiority. Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-30056653575614307932014-05-20T08:10:55.387-04:002014-05-20T08:10:55.387-04:00Like Sisyphus, I too wonder what inspired this pos...Like Sisyphus, I too wonder what inspired this post! I like your link it to Chaucer. The Pardoner is like a Harold Hill who informs his marks before they buy the band uniforms and instruments that he'll be on the next train out of town.<br /><br />Also like Sis, I've got an epic proportion of students who will get Ds or Fs because they failed to read the syllabus and understand how grades are calculated. These are people with perfectly good brains who perhaps have a major block when it comes to academic achievement. I don't get it, but then I didn't come from a place where being good in school was regarded by parents or peers as something suspect or even just ambivalent. <br /><br /><br />Historiannhttp://historiann.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-30306027986258488652014-05-20T01:29:46.346-04:002014-05-20T01:29:46.346-04:00I wonder if there's another version, more like...I wonder if there's another version, more like what Sis mentions: the student who thinks they are not really good enough, but instead of compensating by working harder, self-sabotages in some way.<br /><br />I am just reading a grad student paper from a student who may partly fit this: ze has done a bunch of different things, but never finished any; is very smart, but lurches from crisis to crisis. The result is a final paper that is a disaster, because it doesn't really do the assignment, which involves a new skill for hir. Instead of an essay reviewing scholarly viewpoints, ze writes an essay saying what's true. <br /><br />Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716705206734059708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-42905650242440047742014-05-20T01:06:39.901-04:002014-05-20T01:06:39.901-04:00Oh, man, I don't know what prompted this, but ...Oh, man, I don't know what prompted this, but I have been thinking a lot about this as I finish up the grades and have to record a lot of instances of students choking, tripping on the finish line, or starting with a heroic effort to make up for the rest of the semester too late to actually succeed. It might be a separate thing, since the arrogance isn't necessarily there or it gets replaced by clowning or a more general acting out, but there is a lot of similarity. Sisyphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09880634753539329199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-77586986270817849642014-05-19T22:53:29.353-04:002014-05-19T22:53:29.353-04:00I've seen such behavior, but it was explained ...I've seen such behavior, but it was explained to me differently by a therapist. He recommended a book which posited that it was the behavior of someone who needed to be winning, rather than to accomplish anything in particular, and therefore had to start a new fight immediately after winning one.<br /><br />I've always associated it with the data about how testosterone levels change after winning or losing a battle, and viewed it as a chemical addiction. That would only explain it in males, though.pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15532518675955579561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-70515661954553300582014-05-19T21:58:48.809-04:002014-05-19T21:58:48.809-04:00Oh, I saw cases of this in grad school for sure, a...Oh, I saw cases of this in grad school for sure, and I'm also pretty sure I dated at least one of these guys. Do not recommend.sophylouhttp://girlhistorian.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com