tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post3091186673573457181..comments2023-12-23T04:56:29.702-05:00Comments on Ferule & Fescue: ModelingFlaviahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-63948813236813717192014-09-13T23:11:06.980-04:002014-09-13T23:11:06.980-04:00CPP:
Sorry for the delay! I'm on it. And yes,...CPP:<br /><br />Sorry for the delay! I'm on it. And yes, that's what I like about it: it's only 14 lines, and let's see what we can squeeze out of it.<br /><br />WN:<br /><br />Maybe I'm naive, but I've felt that for most my classes this is actually rather hard to plagiarize while meeting the specific parameters of my assignment. This may be less true with lyric poems, especially the heavily taught ones, but in Shakespeare, for example, I have them choose part of a speech (and we're not usually doing the big plays at this point, and they often choose pretty random passages). I also think that the things we focus on and the terms I have them use aren't much found in the stuff I've seen online. <br /><br />But as I say, maybe I'm just naive!Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-54152040506479996012014-09-12T19:14:34.564-04:002014-09-12T19:14:34.564-04:00Flavia, how do you handle the ubiquity of online s...Flavia, how do you handle the ubiquity of online sites doing close readings (good or not) of so many poems? I reluctantly stopped assigning straight-up close reading assignments because I was apparently practically inviting students to plagiarize. Even when they didn't copy, they had clearly consulted online sources and patched together a reading based on other people's ideas.What Now?https://www.blogger.com/profile/08221008082872963036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-26339301999772738892014-09-10T19:09:09.171-04:002014-09-10T19:09:09.171-04:00Yes, please e-mail it to me:
physioprof@gmail.com...Yes, please e-mail it to me:<br /><br />physioprof@gmail.com<br /><br />I've never liked reading poetry, but this "close-reading" shittio sounds like maybe it'll be fun, like a puzzle.PhysioProffenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-61249517583259425202014-09-09T01:24:12.545-04:002014-09-09T01:24:12.545-04:00I'd actually kind of like to see this too -- I...I'd actually kind of like to see this too -- I'm a historian, wrote my dissertation on antebellum poets, and did some close readings I guess, but never really had training in it (in college the "English" classes I liked best were in the history/American Studies dept, so, much more historicist.sophylouhttp://girlhstorian.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-28977332980658627932014-09-08T22:34:04.023-04:002014-09-08T22:34:04.023-04:00I do explicit models for certain types of class pr...I do explicit models for certain types of class presentations (which I hate doing but are really very useful to the students), and in the advanced courses I do talk explicitly about the work that I'm doing, how I revise my own writing, etc., though I haven't yet given students any of my own papers to read through. I also give explicit models for crafting discussion questions (in courses where students are expected to lead 1 or 2 class sessions).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-58940501521161329662014-09-08T14:09:26.465-04:002014-09-08T14:09:26.465-04:00Yes -- since it's early in the semester I am w...Yes -- since it's early in the semester I am working on their fluency in reading primary documents. I also assign document stuff as homework but I'm trying to maximize our class time. So I have started doing this and they seem to benefit from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-57666093355581128412014-09-08T13:06:09.701-04:002014-09-08T13:06:09.701-04:00Sapience:
Yes, I've done that before; in my a...Sapience:<br /><br />Yes, I've done that before; in my advanced or M.A. classes I sometimes give students my own published work; more often, I've circulated, with students of all levels, copies of my own ferociously marked-up drafts of works-in-progress so they can see how writers revise (and that I'm not being any harder on their work than I am on my own!). <br /><br />But with short written assignments, I should probably, more often, do exactly the kind of work I'm asking of them.Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-62352514623189260782014-09-08T13:01:06.187-04:002014-09-08T13:01:06.187-04:00CPP:
Basically, with a poem, it means making an a...CPP:<br /><br />Basically, with a poem, it means making an argument about the text that combines content (what the poem says) with form (the way the poetry says it--via meter, rhyme, word choice, aural effects, etc.). <br /><br />If you're really dying to see it, happy to email it to you, but I don't want to post it on the open Interwebz lest it wind up on a free essay site somewhere!<br /><br />Anon:<br /><br />Do you mean that you're having them do in-class what you used to have them do at home? Or something else?Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-31400802955667470382014-09-08T12:58:20.514-04:002014-09-08T12:58:20.514-04:00Doing one of our own assignments was the first ass...Doing one of our own assignments was the first assignment we did in the pedagogy class I took when I started grad school. We then had to write a 10 page paper explaining what we had learned from doing our own assignment. What I wanted to write in that second paper, but didn't, was that I was making my students do writing that was way more fun than what I had to do in my pedagogy class.<br /><br />More seriously, I regularly give my students my own writing as models. I wrote a blog post as an example when we were doing those, and I gave my honors students one of my articles as a model for how to engage both theory and a less-well-known bit of popular culture in order to make an argument. The really nice thing about using my own writing as an example as I can talk in a lot of detail about the evolution of ideas, and how writing as a process works, etc.Sapiencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09259871146375570988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-59027313873169727972014-09-08T12:22:26.382-04:002014-09-08T12:22:26.382-04:00My history classes read primary source documents. ...My history classes read primary source documents. So this semester I have started doing in-class reads of some of the documents. They really seem to like it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27054305.post-62188405507880507282014-09-08T02:05:53.871-04:002014-09-08T02:05:53.871-04:00Could you post this essay? Because I haven't t...Could you post this essay? Because I haven't the faintest fucken clue what the fucke a close reading essay is. Comradde PhysioProffenoreply@blogger.com